September 5: Jewish views / Talmud on the young Jesus / Birth narrative
Assignment
1) First, for an overview of the kinds of things Jews have said about Jesus, read Gregory Barker & Stephen Gregg, Jesus Beyond Christianity: The Classic Texts, pp. 9-74.
2) Then, for a closer look at what one Jewish text has to say about Jesus, read Peter Schafer, Jesus in the Talmud, pp. 1-40. As you read, focus on these things. (You don’t have to answer these in writing; just be prepared to address them in class.)
- Make a list of the main images of Jesus that the Talmud presents: illegitimate child, bad student, etc.
- Are any of these images still around today in any form?
- How does the Talmud construct its images of Jesus? Does it tell stories, make theological arguments, present historical evidence, or…?
- Do these images of Jesus have some objective basis in prior texts, traditions, or historical evidence? Or are they strictly fictitious, polemical attacks? Or do they seem like reasonable interpretations of Jesus when seen from the perspective of the Rabbis?
3) Next, take a first experimental stab at writing your own Gospel:
- Settle on a tentative plan for what you want your gospel to be. (If you want to see last year’s gospels for inspiration, you can find them at http://jesusfall2016.vishanoff.com/. They are not all equally well developed, of course, but the variety of approaches might spark your thinking.)
- Identify at least one promising source for your background research.
- Post a first draft a birth narrative, or something that will take its place in your gospel if you will not have a birth narrative, or if you aren’t writing a narrative at all.
- Use the Comments feature to explain the choices you made in writing that birth narrative.
Here are some step by step instructions for creating your narrative on the web site:
- Log in using your OU 4×4 and the password “listening”. (The login link is under Users in the Navigation sidebar on the left.)
- Once logged in you will be able to see a toolbar at the top of the page; follow the link there to the WordPress dashboard, the “back end” where you will create your gospel pages.
- First go to Users/Your Profile, click on generate password, type in the password you want to use, check the “confirm use of weak password” box if necessary, and click Update Profile.
- To create a new section of your gospel go to Pages/Add New, type or paste in your writing, under Discussion check “Allow comments,” and under Page Attributes set Parent to the name of your gospel (near the bottom of the dropdown list, e.g. “The Gospel according to Zachary”) and set Order to 1 (if this is your first page; you must control the order in which pages appear in your gospel by numbering them sequentially). If you can’t find one of these options, click on the “screen options” tab near the upper right corner, and make sure the “discussion” and “page attribute” boxes are checked.
- Click Publish, then use the toolbar at the top to go back to the “front end” of the site, verify that your new page appears where it should under Student Gospels.
- To add a comment, select a phrase or paragraph in your text and then type in the comment window on the right.
Please be prepared to explain what you’ve written to the rest of us in class.
4) Finally, read the drafts others have posted so far in their “gospels,” and post a few comments, suggestions, or questions.
Notes from class
We were convinced by most if not all of Schafer’s discoveries of hints and allusions to Jesus in the Talmud, but we were not really convinced by Schafer’s argument that the Talmud’s narrative is deliberately responding to details of the Christian Gospels:
- The Talmud does give a counter-narrative that differs from that of the Gospels: Jesus is an illegitimate child and a bad student who learns magic in Egypt, leads Israel to idolatry, and commits some kind of sexual immorality.
- Schafer stresses that this is not historical information about Jesus, but entirely a construct.
- The Talmud constructs this counter-narrative by alluding to and parodying Gospel stories it assumes are known to its audience.
- But is it all a sophisticated response to specific details in the Gospels, as Schafer claims? It does counter at least indirectly the story of Jesus virgin birth, his lineage, his divinity, his teaching against the Jews, and his resurrection.
- But its main theme of sexual immorality, while it does go against the Christian doctrine of Jesus’ sinlessness, does not seem to be countering any particular part of the Gospels’ narrative. This part of the Talmud’s picture of Jesus sounds like just mean-spirited polemic invented simply because it was the worst accusation the Rabbis could think of.
- What motivated this polemic? We imagine that the Rabbis viewed Christianity as a competing sect of Judaism gone rogue. But only the Rabbis in Babylonia felt safe enough to put this polemic in writing; the Palestinians, who lived under Christian rule, did not, and later European Jews erased references to Jesus from some copies of the Talmud, presumably for fear of persecution.
In Barker’s survey of later Jewish writings we found three things:
- Some anti-Christian polemics seemed quite shallow, taking cheap shots at details that puzzled the Jewish author but would not have puzzled Christians at all. These authors seemed uninterested in understanding how Christians understood the Gospels, and seemed to be speaking out of insecurity or to justify themselves (which is common and understandable).
- We can see, however, that some of these Jewish interpretations made sense given the author’s own assumptions (e.g. that Jesus should be powerful, or that God should not hunger, or that religion should strengthen the nation).
- One common reinterpretation is that Jesus was a good teacher but not divine. This interpretation is shared by Muslims, many Jews, and many modern liberal Christians, and it makes sense given the modern post-Enlightenment shift toward viewing religion as about ethics rather than doctrine or ritual.
Apart from a few examples of apparently mean-spirited and shallow polemics, such reinterpretations from Jewish perspectives of a figure “owned” by Christians seems to us morally okay, because Jesus is not simply a historical person who must be respected for who he was (who he actually was being itself a matter of ideological debate), but a public symbol of controversial religious ideas that are quite properly matters of debate. To reinterpret Jesus is to debate ideas, not to abuse someone else’s cherished symbol.
Recent Comments in this Document
December 12, 2017 at 12:47 am
As previously stated, it is an invitation for all, regardless of race, to believe in Jesus as the Savior of all mankind. The reader should see that all those around him/her have that same opportunity as they do to come to the knowledge of Jesus’ divine power to save.
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December 12, 2017 at 12:45 am
Here, I attempt to show the reader that Thomas is believing because Jesus is present with him. That belief goes away the same time Jesus goes away. Thomas is holding onto this idea that if Jesus goes away, His power and divinity disappear as well.
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December 12, 2017 at 12:43 am
Traditional site of Thomas’ martyrdom
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December 12, 2017 at 12:42 am
Robert Frykenberg notes, “What had begun with the Thomas Tradition–belief that the Apostle brought the Gospel to India in AD 52–remains extremely strong, whatever the historicity of this tradition may be. Thomas Christians continue to respond to sceptics that the evidence for Thomas coming to India is as strong as the evidence for Peter coming to Rome. The presence of the Gospel in India, from this perspective, antedates any canon, creed, or council in the West” (Christianity in India: From Beginnings to the Present).
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December 12, 2017 at 12:37 am
See Matthew 28:19
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December 12, 2017 at 12:27 am
This is not to be seen as Jesus chastising Thomas. It should be seen as an internal struggle. Thomas is asking himself, “Why did I not believe?” “What is wrong with me?”
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December 12, 2017 at 12:25 am
As discussed in the opening comments, this is directed towards those who desire tangible evidence of Jesus’ divinity. It brings the concept of faith in the picture. I agree with the definition of faith given in Hebrews 11:1 which reads, “Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.”
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December 12, 2017 at 12:21 am
This final chapter on the resurrection of Jesus is addressed to those who hold atheist or agnostic views. These two traditions are generally thought of wanting tangible evidence or proven by science. Therefore, I felt it was key to use Thomas who lacked faith and wanted tangible evidence that Jesus indeed lived again. It also shows that even the most stubborn of people stuck in their ways can accept Jesus as the Savior of all mankind. With the desire for tangible evidence it also brings in the concept of faith and its importance.
The latter portion of this chapter reiterates the message of the previous chapter. Jesus is the Savior of the world regardless of race. For this purpose it was important to include Thomas’ travels to the subcontinent of India.
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December 12, 2017 at 12:12 am
Although brief, this verse should give purpose to Jesus’ death. If this had not been included the reader would question why Jesus had died. He had to have a purpose in dying or a reason or it would simply imply the Pharisees finally caught up to Jesus.
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December 12, 2017 at 12:08 am
I speculate that this was done in secret as the Roman soldier is wary of the penalty of such an act. I am not familiar with Roman law but I think the consequences would be heavy should he be caught conversing with the Jews.
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